Not moving house
November 18, 2009 at 23:16 | In Life, the Universe, and Everything | Leave a CommentTags: Claisse St Vincent, eastleigh, estate agent, estate agents, HIP, house, houses, market, mortgage, Nestoria, rightmove, Sarah Beeny, Tepilo
We’ve been trying to move again the last couple of weeks, with even less success than last time if that’s possible. Ok, so the first problem was of our own making: sell before you buy. Ok, we knew it was probably a bad idea, but we had a look round a pretty good house in the road next to ours and decided to give it a go. To stand any chance of getting a buyer in time to put an offer in we used the same agent, which was also the agent we’d used last time so they already had all our details ready. Sadly we just missed out, with two other people offering above our maximum. Bother.
By some amazing coincidence a house we’d been interested in before came on to the market almost the same day as we lost out. After having a look round we still liked the location but weren’t quite so keen on the house, but in another strange twist an almost identical property came on the market in another road which was much nicer. So nice house in worse road, or worse house in nice road. We put an offer in on the worse of the two houses, based on a fair bit of investigation on what it’s really worth. Sadly that offer was rejected to today; we’ll be keeping a look out for what it sells for in the end… if it ever does sell that is.
We weren’t actually planning to try and move quite so soon anyway, so unless something new materializes in the next couple of days, I think we’ll have to let our buyer go and take the house off the market again. There are just too many problems trying to move at the moment:
We live in a really nice house in a very good location
Well of course we would say that when trying to sell our house! It’s true though. Even houses costing far more don’t offer that much extra apart from the tiniest of extra rooms. Surely floor area should make more of a difference to house prices instead of simply the number of rooms. Thanks to Eastleigh’s absurd planning rules for parking spaces, which seems to be just over one space allowed per house, our current house has better parking than a lot of bigger houses. Of course that reduces traffic enormously… erm, not.
There are no first time buyers
Despite putting our house on the market slightly below the estate agent’s valuation, there was practically no interest. Only a couple of first time buyers and some investors. First time buyers can get mortgages, but they need deposits again which, as Sarah Beeny points out, is a good thing over all. I still think house prices are a touch too high as well (it looks like I’m not the only one). Interest rates can only go one way from here and the only thing that seems to be keeping prices up at all is…
There are no houses
There is barely anything coming on the the market. Well, apart from the house we originally wanted, and the house twins. Even so, one of those was probate and the other has been on the market twice before recently. Since we have a buyer, we’ve been looking around for other places to buy but what’s out there is either not much better than the place we’ve got, or is over priced.
Estate agents are a pointless as ever
In some cases I think they are actually making things worse in their current role. A percentage commission is little incentive to get the best price for a vendor at the best of times, but with such a low turn over it’s even less important than getting a sale. They also do all they can to get money through other services; despite already having an independent financial advisor, I had a pretty hard sell from one estate agent which it turns out was actually enticing me to borrow more so that I could make a higher offer, instead of just telling me that our first, best, and final offer had been rejected. Isn’t that the kind of thing that got us in to this credit mess in the first place?
Many of the things I mentioned the last time I questioned estate agents are now possible using Sarah Beeny’s free Tepilo site. It’s still pretty new and I don’t think Tepilo will sell your house on its own just yet. If you do want to market your own house though, I think it provides a very professional looking place to host your details. While your property won’t appear on Rightmove, it will find its way on to other sites like Nestoria. As far as we know, we didn’t get a single viewing through Rightmove anyway, which is actually pretty surprising. If we don’t end up moving this time, I’ll certainly be using Tepilo again, and hopefully it will have gained even more momentum by then.
So, does anyone have a three bed house to sell? If so, get the details on Tepilo and send me a link!! If not, I think we’ll be giving up and enjoying our current house for another six months or so.
Updated:
- added link to Telegraph “Surprise rally in house prices will falter” article. (12 Nov 2009)
- added link to Times Online “Estate agents force buyers to use costly in-house mortgage deals” article (28 Nov 2009)
Is there any point to estate agents?
May 14, 2008 at 22:50 | In Grumpy Old Man | 4 CommentsTags: Enfields, estate agents, HIP, home information pack, house
Since taking our house off the market recently, I’ve been wondering what exactly it is that estate agents do. Maybe they:
- Arrange a HIP: ignoring the fact that HIPs are a completely pointless waste of time and money, I got mine sent to the agent in the first place.
- Market my house: we had one advert in the paper, and I think describing the leaflets as brochures is pushing it a bit. There is Rightmove, but I prefer alternatives like ononemap myself.
- Find me a buyer: I’m pretty sure I could have found a buyer last year on my own, but now the market is on hold none of the estate agents seem to be having much luck finding them.
- Communicate: it’s a long process and regular updates and clear communications are essential… I’m just not sure they manage it.
When the market has settled/sunk to rock bottom, we’ll be putting the house up for sale again (hopefully before the pointless HIP has expired and they have to make up the same rubbish again). Despite my doubts, I expect we will probably use an estate agent again: it was very useful to have them doing all the viewings, and while I might not think Rightmove is the best site in the world, a lot of people do use it. (If only I could add my own house.)
It will be tricky choosing a new agent though, mainly because most of them seem fairly hopeless. For example, one agent, who we were already registered with, sent a compliment slip asking us to call quoting reference ML1, yet didn’t seem to really know what ML1 meant when I phoned. They’ve been sending the same slip ever since… sometimes twice a day! We’ve got quite a collection now:
Another agent, who originally wildly over estimated the value of our house, phoned randomly to gloat about how many viewings he had for an almost identical house. Viewings don’t always mean sales though and it still hasn’t sold! Frustratingly, one of the best agents, who we found while looking for houses to buy, doesn’t sell houses in our area. Bother.
Still, the way the market’s going we won’t need a new estate agent for a while, and there could be less of them left to choose by then.
T-Minus 6 days…
April 16, 2008 at 23:31 | In Life, the Universe, and Everything | 1 CommentTags: countdown, estate agents, house
…and counting!
After recent experiences trying to sell a house in the current market we’re thinking of giving up for the time being to see how sharply house prices end up declining. If the only offer we got is representative, house prices are set to drop like a stone this year. The offer didn’t seem completely unreasonable either: we only had one second viewing, and we’ve had no new viewings at all this week. It turns out that ours wasn’t the only house our would be buyer had made an offer on, so any actual offer we get could be even lower, and take a while to get.
Plan A (move house) was somewhat doomed after mortgages for first time buyers dried up the week after we put the house on the market! Plan B is to take the house off the market and see how low prices are going to get. Buying the next house for less is quite appealing. On the off chance that anything dramatic happens to improve things or our estate agent suddenly finds a buyer (their phones have been playing up recently so it’s not completely impossible) we’re giving it a few more days… hence the countdown. It’ll be quite nice not having to keep the place viewing ready all the time!
Even only managing such a short way through the process, I’ve been amazed about how much difference web 2.0 technologies have made to looking for properties since I bought my current house… and how completely estate agents seem to have failed to embrace it! It sounds like it isn’t just estate agents either, although Cerys did have a set of ticks an crosses she could monitor!
Estate agents hit by capital letter shortage!
February 22, 2008 at 09:26 | In Life, the Universe, and Everything | 3 CommentsTags: estate agents
Having been taking a keen interest in for sale boards recently, I’ve noticed that estate agents seem to be having problems sourcing good quality capital letters:
‘fox & sons‘ (part of ’sequence’)
‘goadsby‘
Is it just estate agents?
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